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    Religion..

    Post by Maca on Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:19 am

    Alright lets start up some serious discussions

    How do you feel about religion? Some people say its good in the way that it changes people to become selfless and think more about others and less about themselves, and generates culture. Others say it does the opposite and causes so much conflict between religious standpoints that wars occur.

    What is your opinion on the matter? do we need religion?

    Ill be watching this thread VERY, VERY carefully. Respect other peoples opinion, no taking digs at each other or warns will be dished out.
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    Re: Religion..

    Post by Austro on Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:20 am

    The problem isn't religion itself, just the way some people perceive it. Both in terms of actual religious people and atheists/agnostics.

    In my opinion, it's not that big a deal since you can have the good aspects of it without the actual religion, i.e. you can be a kind, caring etc person without being religious.... but hey, whatever works for people.


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    Re: Religion..

    Post by Lungy on Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:49 am

    Imo, religion provides people firstly with an answer to how everything in the world happened, hence how every religion has a different stiry.

    But most importantly, it teaches morals and how a good person should act, sort of governs the way a person works.
    though even without religion, a person can still learn that.
    overall, i dk.
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    Re: Religion..

    Post by iNinnoX on Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:23 pm

    I'm an atheist and I believe that Religion is good, as in how it teaches morals, life lessons, generosity, etc. I'm just against how some people take it so seriously to the point their whole life is devoted to it. (I don't mean any disrespect but I believe that religion isn't meant to be like this)
    I mean, religion, is stories, etc. on how to live good and stuff, it's like how you teach little kids lessons and morals, story tails, it's easier that way, it sticks in your mind easier. I reckon that's how it was meant to be.

    Just my opinion, I don't mean any offence, sorry if I have though.
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    Re: Religion..

    Post by Revilo on Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:21 pm

    Hmm.. tough question. I'm a catholic myself, and Im pretty proud to be one, although there are some aspects of being a catholic that I really don't agree with, cos it seems outdated and doesnt really fit with society today.
    Otherwise, it doesnt interfere with my life that much
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    Re: Religion..

    Post by Maca on Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:35 am

    Austro wrote:In my opinion, it's not that big a deal since you can have the good aspects of it without the actual religion, i.e. you can be a kind, caring etc person without being religious.... but hey, whatever works for people.

    That's exactly right, though people may feel comfortable with guide lines, you shouldnt have to read "Dont kill someone" to know its bad

    Lungy wrote:Imo, religion provides people firstly with an answer to how everything in the world happened, hence how every religion has a different stiry.


    Question, do you believe this is a good thing? Sure people find comfort in the fact that they "know" how things all started, but they can get so wound up in their own self belief they shut everything down that has scientific backup.

    iNinnoX wrote:I'm an atheist and I believe that Religion is good, as in how it teaches morals, life lessons, generosity, etc. I'm just against how some people take it so seriously to the point their whole life is devoted to it. (I don't mean any disrespect but I believe that religion isn't meant to be like this)
    I mean, religion, is stories, etc. on how to live good and stuff, it's like how you teach little kids lessons and morals, story tails, it's easier that way, it sticks in your mind easier. I reckon that's how it was meant to be.

    Just my opinion, I don't mean any offence, sorry if I have though.

    Yes, I see what you are getting at. Religion is meant to be something that people can adopt "if they wish", to become more confident/happier/have self meaning. Unfortunately some people can cross that line and become "extremists". For example, the westboro baptist church. If people havent heard of them, put it in youtube.

    Revilo wrote:Hmm.. tough question. I'm a catholic myself, and Im pretty proud to be one, although there are some aspects of being a catholic that I really don't agree with, cos it seems outdated and doesnt really fit with society today.
    Otherwise, it doesnt interfere with my life that much

    Sure. Would you like to expand on that? I'm actually interested to hear your opinion of religion seeing as you are religious and i'm not. What do you feel is outdated and what positives do you feel are held within your own beliefs?
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    Re: Religion..

    Post by Revilo on Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:57 am

    Maca wrote:
    Revilo wrote:Hmm.. tough question. I'm a catholic myself, and Im pretty proud to be one, although there are some aspects of being a catholic that I really don't agree with, cos it seems outdated and doesnt really fit with society today.
    Otherwise, it doesnt interfere with my life that much

    Sure. Would you like to expand on that? I'm actually interested to hear your opinion of religion seeing as you are religious and i'm not. What do you feel is outdated and what positives do you feel are held within your own beliefs?

    Sure thing bro. Probably the most outdated thing that I can think of right now is the gay marriage situation. Every Christian, regardless of what branch they are of except for a few random ones, are told that God loves you no matter what you do from an early age.
    So with the gay marriage thing, the catholic church is against it because marriage is regarded as a union between a man and a woman only.
    In today's society there are hundreds of theorists out there theorising all sorts of things. One particular area is feminism. (For those who don't know what that is, it's a bit heavy to explain and I forgot what the nutshell explanation from my teacher was).
    Anyway, being a feminist ties in with the characteristics of being a woman. So, say there were two gay guys, one that was masculine, and the other feminist, it would essentially be the same as a man and woman, instead it is two men with different gender characteristics, and so would full fill the Church's view of marriage being between a man and a woman.

    As for the positives, they are pretty much stated above. A sense of purposeness in life, a friendly community, morals and values, etc etc. All depends on personal views on life and such
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    Re: Religion..

    Post by mzlaara on Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:16 pm

    I'm with iNinnoX.
    I use them as guidelines, kinda.
    But i would never take them too seriously
    also I apologize if this offends anyone, it wasn't my intention


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    Re: Religion..

    Post by Maca on Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:39 pm

    mzlaara wrote:I'm with iNinnoX.
    I use them as guidelines, kinda.
    But i would never take them too seriously
    also I apologize if this offends anyone, it wasn't my intention

    Thats the aim I feel, use religion as a way of turning yourself into a better person

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    Sure thing bro. Probably the most outdated thing that I can think of right now is the gay marriage situation. Every Christian, regardless of what branch they are of except for a few random ones, are told that God loves you no matter what you do from an early age.
    So with the gay marriage thing, the catholic church is against it because marriage is regarded as a union between a man and a woman only.
    In today's society there are hundreds of theorists out there theorising all sorts of things. One particular area is feminism. (For those who don't know what that is, it's a bit heavy to explain and I forgot what the nutshell explanation from my teacher was).
    Anyway, being a feminist ties in with the characteristics of being a woman. So, say there were two gay guys, one that was masculine, and the other feminist, it would essentially be the same as a man and woman, instead it is two men with different gender characteristics, and so would full fill the Church's view of marriage being between a man and a woman.

    As for the positives, they are pretty much stated above. A sense of purposeness in life, a friendly community, morals and values, etc etc. All depends on personal views on life and such

    Hmmm, yes the old argument on gay marriage. "are told that God loves you no matter what you do from an early age." That's an excellent point, its true thats what you are told when you grow up. Unfortunately some people wander off and fill people with their own beliefs. Yea a variety of positives do come from religion.

    "So, say there were two gay guys, one that was masculine, and the other feminist, it would essentially be the same as a man and woman". Question. If two men were 100% masculine, how would you feel about them getting married? Im not having a dig or anything, Im just asking for your point of view Smile
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    Re: Religion..

    Post by Lungy on Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:45 pm

    Maca wrote:
    Austro wrote:In my opinion, it's not that big a deal since you can have the good aspects of it without the actual religion, i.e. you can be a kind, caring etc person without being religious.... but hey, whatever works for people.

    That's exactly right, though people may feel comfortable with guide lines, you shouldnt have to read "Dont kill someone" to know its bad

    Lungy wrote:Imo, religion provides people firstly with an answer to how everything in the world happened, hence how every religion has a different stiry.


    Question, do you believe this is a good thing? Sure people find comfort in the fact that they "know" how things all started, but they can get so wound up in their own self belief they shut everything down that has scientific backup.

    If you think about it, it can be a bad thing. Once they are so wound up in this one belief, they shut down everything else in relation to science, i know one of my friends whos a religious jew who is somewhat like this.
    In terms of a good thing; having a story in the origin also draws in that person into the religion, and that they have something to stand for. Its not literally a good thin that they know how things have started; i'd like to think that they are drawn to a faith that they stand by in their life.

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    Re: Religion..

    Post by Revilo on Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:33 pm

    Maca wrote:

    Hmmm, yes the old argument on gay marriage. "are told that God loves you no matter what you do from an early age." That's an excellent point, its true thats what you are told when you grow up. Unfortunately some people wander off and fill people with their own beliefs. Yea a variety of positives do come from religion.

    "So, say there were two gay guys, one that was masculine, and the other feminist, it would essentially be the same as a man and woman". Question. If two men were 100% masculine, how would you feel about them getting married? Im not having a dig or anything, Im just asking for your point of view Smile

    Nahh bro I know its cool. UUHhHhHhHhH.... I don't know. I was just trying to justify some gay marriages with theory. My actual personal theory is that I really don't mind the gay marriage thing. I think most concern goes to any children that are resulted, due to bullying and all that stuff, which is what Id be worried about if anything. Otherwise I don't have a problem with it.
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    Re: Religion..

    Post by iNinnoX on Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:47 am

    Revilo wrote:
    Nahh bro I know its cool. UUHhHhHhHhH.... I don't know. I was just trying to justify some gay marriages with theory. My actual personal theory is that I really don't mind the gay marriage thing. I think most concern goes to any children that are resulted, due to bullying and all that stuff, which is what Id be worried about if anything. Otherwise I don't have a problem with it.

    Yeah, I agree^ Especially with that last line, I'm just worried about the children involved, but then there's just one thing that's always been on my mind whenever I think about this topic, if they allow gay marriages and when they decided to adopt a child, would they be gay, too? Most likely, and because of this, they'll marry, adopt and continues. I'm kind of worried about humanity in the future, if you get me. Other than that, I'm not against gay marriage.
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    Re: Religion..

    Post by Revilo on Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:14 pm

    iNinnoX wrote:
    if they allow gay marriages and when they decided to adopt a child, would they be gay, too? Most likely, and because of this, they'll marry, adopt and continues. I'm kind of worried about humanity in the future, if you get me. Other than that, I'm not against gay marriage.

    Um, the gay population isn't really that significant compared to the rest of the world? Sooo even if the adoption, gay kid, marrying and back over again happens, I don't really think it will have much of an effect, unless something happens which kills off most of the straight population, then yeah humanity would be in a pretty tough position.

    Unless I've misunderstood what you just said?
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    Re: Religion..

    Post by Maca on Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:50 pm

    Revilo wrote:

    Nahh bro I know its cool. UUHhHhHhHhH.... I don't know. I was just trying to justify some gay marriages with theory. My actual personal theory is that I really don't mind the gay marriage thing. I think most concern goes to any children that are resulted, due to bullying and all that stuff, which is what Id be worried about if anything. Otherwise I don't have a problem with it.

    Yea unfortunately bullying is a major issue, and common for the kids with same sex parents, however is happens in every age group. Hopefully in due time people can become more educated and not feel the need to bully others
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    Re: Religion..

    Post by Maca on Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:54 pm

    iNinnoX wrote:

    if they allow gay marriages and when they decided to adopt a child, would they be gay, too? Most likely, and because of this, they'll marry, adopt and continues. I'm kind of worried about humanity in the future, if you get me. Other than that, I'm not against gay marriage.

    Its still debated whether being gay is a choice or genetic, however with the rate of the growing human population I don't think it will be that detrimental if a group become "gay" all of a sudden, it wont affect population growth a lot.
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    Re: Religion..

    Post by iNinnoX on Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:05 pm

    Yeah, I get what you guys are saying and you guys are entirely right. It was just a little thought. I'm not against gays, really.
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    Re: Religion..

    Post by henor on Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:46 am

    inb4 shitstorm

    truth is, i respect everyone regardless of their religion under the conditions that
    1. they dont force me join their religion and believe what they believe
    2. they dont use their religion to gain advantage over others in society
    3. they recognise the existence of other religions and respect others equally for holding their beliefs

    in terms of thoughts towards certain issues such as homosexuality, obviously religion will influence that. in fact religion probably influences the majority of an indivdual's values, but then there's the fine line which lies within the individual to be drawn between being influenced and brainwashed.

    tl;dr religion doesnt mean shit in judging a person's worth. all religions strive for happiness, peace and being awesome, except there are different types of awesome, but are all awesome regardless.
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    Re: Religion..

    Post by iNinnoX on Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:10 pm

    As the Dhali Lama has said:

    'Having a religion is good, but you do not need it to live'
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    Post by henor on Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:54 am

    iNinnoX wrote:As the Dhali Lama has said:

    'Having a religion is good, but you do not need it to live'

    *Dalai
    this is very true, imo it also shouldnt restrict or disrupt anything else u do in life

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    Re: Religion..

    Post by DuyZ on Sun May 06, 2012 6:05 am

    As a Christian, i can admit that there are people out there that takes religion too seriously
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    Re: Religion..

    Post by FejzoEatspie on Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:40 am

    actually im very regligious.
    but i am human,too. this means i make mistakes.
    but every night i pray to god to forgive me, because he knows that we are weak and not perfect.
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    Post by LittleLew on Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:39 am

    I am an Atheist, with the firm logic that my moral code is enough to live by - if there is a God I believe he/she would prioritise people who lived a good life and upheld their values, even if they were not religious. In all honesty I consider religion to be a way for people to feel like their lives have a purpose, and to be less fearful about death.
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    Post by Revilo on Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:45 pm

    people still have a lesser fear of death without religion too.
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    Post by LittleLew on Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:57 am

    I'm not saying they don't - I am referring to the origins of Religion: People could not explain what came after death, and for me that is the main reason they created the concept of a superior being/s giving us all a purpose
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    Post by iNinnoX on Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:56 pm

    But then there are religions that make their people suffer and use the excuse 'The more you suffer, the more you'll have in heaven' or something along those lines. That's what pisses me off, I mean, what if it's not true? Does that mean they're suffering for nothing?

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